And if you doubt then that just all right. This post left me floored.. Something may be *real* (objectively/universally), and yet not real in my own direct experience (subjectively/personally), so I may use belief to make it *true* for me, despite the fact its not part of the reality I directly perceive and experience. Web design by OnlineMadeForYou. These new age people are leading millions into an abyss. But, as I said, I suspect it may be fruitless trying to stretch an analogy too far, toward some kind of conclusion. It is a well-written piece that has been circulating the internet without any mention of who actually wrote it. It takes us nowhere." "Well, I don't know," said the second, "but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us." The first replied "Mother? The gifts are endless. In all due respect to all those who like this story (which we all do! Well I dont see Her, so it is only logical that She doesnt exist. but certainly we will see mother and she will take care of us. Take the Quiz and find out! "I think there is something and maybe it's different than it is here." The first baby replied, "No one has ever come back from there. What a laughable analogy! The Parable of the Twins - For a unique perspective on death as "life after life." Once upon a time, a set of twins were conceived in the same womb. So its our prayer that you will make the choice to believe! so what is the relevance of this belief. Thank you for such an insightful comment (and commentary), Deepa. Here is the link to Pablos complete version: https://pablomolinerodotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/boy-and-girl2.pdf. Although Wayne Dyer sources the original from Henri J. W. Nouwen, earlier sources include Pablo Molinero. If any of you want to experience some far out nonsense, study Mormonism as I did for five years! And thats good news? What would that life be?, I dont know, but there will be more light than here. Are my each of my beliefs serving as a bridge to reality, or to falsity/delusion/deception? Third: Brother is Mothers first son. Matthew is an excellent coach, he has a sincere desire to help people grow and develop positive mind sets. A woman's life turned upside down after discovering she wasn't adopted as initially told. And eating with our mouths? Hi, I'm Avisha Rasminda Twenty-Two years old, Introduce Myself As A Author , Painter , A Poet. It is in her that we live. A possible ending just given to me, that becomes a reality for millions of unborn children unfortunately, and casts doubt on the glorification of the Mother, because of the assault on the Divine Feminine by feminism: And then the cold steel instruments of abortion appeared, violating the sanctity and security of the womb, and ripped the two twins to pieces, removing them from their blissful sanctuary as has been done to millions of babies before them, while the words, Sorry kids, Mother doesnt want you, after all echoed around them, and the pieces of their torn and mangled bodies were relegated to a medical waste bin and God only knows what became of their consciousness. -FMZ. Did she put it in an oven and baked it? I can feel the care you have on humans, you shared a very important information. It is normal to have questions after loss. In a mother's womb were two babies. I would have liked to meet him. Is there life after delivery? First up, Id say this story is obviously an analogy. Maybe we will have other senses that we cant understand now., The first replied, That is absurd. The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.Nonsense, said the first. Inspiration Into Action Intensive Retreat, If you would like to deepen your own inner listening, to experience your Quantum Connection, sign-up for. In that time, it. I have some deep thinking do! God bless. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded., The second insisted, Well I think there is something and maybe its different than it is here. But how can we possibly believe in something we can't see? Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: consciousness, Laurie Seymour, meditation, parable, reality, spiritual, spiritual path, spiritual transformation, The Baca Journey, two babies in mother's womb, Do you find yourself doing the same thing youve always done? I invite you to read this parable, and let it speak through your heart. You actually believe in Mother? Where is she now? The same judge who in 1991 sentenced the Kansas City, Missouri, man to life without parole plus 200 years for . Weeks passed, and the twins developed. That I am not alone, that there is is an energy that extends beyond me and that it is in support of me in each moment. What do you think all this change means?asked the first baby. Bryanna Fantozzi joins 'Fox & Friends' along with Michigan police Lt. David Allen to discuss the incident. His calm demeanor creates an open, thinking and welcoming space. Maxim Glaezer recently wrote to let me know that his group, Terzo Elemento, had written and recorded a song inspired by this story. Coming back to the analogy of the babies, and your concern that both have the same outcome whether they believe in the existence of the Mother or not Whos to say they wont and, if so, why not? Maybe she lives in our minds. And thats how Mother expresses her unconditional love to us? How do we remain alive?, Have you ever seen our mother?said the one. And what ever mother is, I am sure she is not evil. The umbilical cord is too short.The second baby held his ground. You believe in mother? one is believing other is unbelieving but both get the same result. Different approaches, different thoughts, different rhythm to the writings, different intent, different outcome, different essence. I think there is something and maybe its different than it is here., The first baby replied,No one has ever come back from there. Both come out, yesbut to what? There has to be something after delivery. Thank you for your kind words. In my experience, advice in grief is never truly helpful. Without her there would not be this world. A parable has been going around in which two babies talk in the womb about life after delivery. Just because you found a way to clearly and beautifully explain what you believe, does not automatically prove its truth. That is even more than faith. Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. What would that life be?I dont know, but there will be more light than here. While this sounds simple it is often difficult to operationalize. Besides, we have seen evidence that others were here before us and none of them have returned to tell us that there is life after birth." . He imagines twins-a brother and a sister-talking to each other in their mother's womb: The sister said to the brother, "I believe there is life after birth." Her brother protested vehemently, "No, no, this is all there is. whatsyourgrief.com 3) Open to Hope: Articles, books, and on-line resources. Thank you for your comment and your kindness. Second: How do you know it was inspired by Mother? Without mother we cant exist God the father made things exist through this physical life to testify the Spitural life God is know to be our Father but in order to be called Father you have to have kids and in order to have kids you have to have a mother because only a mother can have kids! Maybe we will have other senses that we can't understand now., The first replied, That is absurd. Life after Birth - A Parable In Our Greatest Gift, Henri Nouwen tells a parable of faith and hope. Modern day parable in which 2 babies talk in the womb about life after delivery. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded." The second insisted, "Well I think there is something and maybe it's different than it is here. You actually believe in Mother? She was dumped on the wayside and she was raised as an orphan. What kind of mother is that? A great thinking partner who helped me realise my full potential. Without Her this world would not and could not exist. After allegedly smelling marijuana, police said they searched the SUV and found a bag with 31 oxycodone tablets and almost $75,000 in cash. It delivers us nowhere." Well, I don't know," said the second, "but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us." The first replied "Mother? Life after delivery is to be excluded. But the umbilical cord is so short. It is in her that we live. Or quiet possibly, just as each of us learns at different levels and in different ways as individuals (no matter our disability), both babies are delivered and lovingly cared for equally for their entire existence (whatever and however long that may be), learning through making choices as they are created to live and learn. When the twins had passed from their world, they opened their eyes and cried for joy for what they saw exceeded their fondest . As always, I will add that when one is unable to move through grief accessing informed therapeutic support is important. I still find it amazing that very intelligent people can believe in Mormonism. There has to be something after delivery. Grief certainly effects us all differently, and for various lengths of time. Recommended Movies (from grief experts) regarding spiritual reactions and mystical experiences include; Shadowlands (1994), The Sixth Sense (1999), Wide Awake (1998), A Rumor of Angels (2000), Always (1989), City of Angels (1998), Dragonfly (2002), Ghost (1990), Northfork (2003), The Five People You Meet in Heaven (2004), Titanic (1997), Truly, Madly, Deeply (1996), Untamed Heart (1993), Waking the Dead (2002). So, with that in mind, I see little point in attempting to credit or discredit this piece of prose based on whether I do or not like the logical conclusions I might try to draw from it. You finally got it! Ridiculous. Anger at God, questions of why, blame, searching for how it could have been different, and questioning is there anything more, are often unwanted companions along this uncomfortable path. Professional Disclaimer:It is important to recognize that all information contained in the Perspective on Trauma Blog is informational, and is not intended as a substitute for clinical care. It is your responsibility to seek individual clinical care from your own provider, who will know or learn your specific circumstances, should care be needed. What's Your Quantum Connection Style? Hours passed into days and days fell into weeks, and it came time. Or I might not have perception of it, and may choose to hold beliefs about whether it does (theist) or does not exist (atheist), or might choose to remain completely undecided (agnostic). All of us dies and then in the resurrection we are judged by the perfect Judge Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Maybe we wont need this physical cord anymore., The first replied, Nonsense. Thank you. The real-life hero has reacted to the trailer of the movie. Maybe we wont need this physical cord anymore. There is no life after delivery. We are of Her. Its so true, we doubt what we dont see but that does not mean it doesnt exist. Im really looking forward to it! So I was just reading through your comments and something really caught my eye. The umbilical cord supplies nutrition. Efforts to make sense of or find meaning in (as David Kessler so eloquently discusses in his work Finding Meaning-The Sixth Stage of Grief ) is a strange, painful, and lengthy process. Doctors believe there is no further hope for actor Tom Sizemore after a Feb. 18 brain aneurysm and have recommended that his family make an end-of-life . One asked the other: "Do you believe in life after delivery?" The other replied, "Why, of course. Did the other twin had a wonderful life? Over-simplication. There has to be something after delivery. The parable is as follows: In a mothers womb were two babies. This is the true malignance of the story, its own logical conclusion. Without her, there would not be this world., Ha. Second: Thats strange, I wonder why Mother hasnt told me that yet. Perhaps shell be still-born, and have to go through another birth cycle, and another chance to get it right (to not miss the mark, i.e. They coughed up fluid, and they gasped the dry air; and when they were sure that they had been born, they opened up their eyes and they found themselves cradled in the warm love of the mother. It is in her that we live. The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit. This parable isnt complete here. But the umbilical cord is so short. your answer totally struck a cord with me. Nonsense said the first. The mundane seems inconsequential, but it is in these small, quiet places God does great things. Activate Your Quantum Connection with Source, December 24, 2013 by Laurie Seymour 67 Comments. http://www.aish.com/h/hh/gar/fulfillment/Womb_for_Soul.html. It takes advantage of our desperate need to validate our tenets, fears, rumours, etc regardless of the truth. We will send you updates to help you on your journey. Luckily, they all forgave me but I promised myself and God that Ill be more careful. Walking is impossible. Would God really punish people for doubting? For others, including women strong enough to consider it, its something to think about. Copyright Protected : 2020 LaDonna Remy MSW, LICSW. And, eat with our mouths? And if I dont believe in Brother and call him master, then Mother will send me to the furnace after delivery? Shalom to you all! There ha There has to be something after delivery. I felt to respond to your thoughtful comment. "But certainly we will meet mother and she will take care of us. What would that life be? I dont know, but there will be more light then here. OK, so Mother loves us so much that she made Brother die for us, because thats the only way we can live. That's laughable. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths.The doubting baby laughed. Ridiculous. What's Your Quantum Connectin Style? That's laughable. I believe there is a reality after delivery and we are here to prepare ourselves for that reality when it comes. It was written by other babies, but inspired by Mother herself. Nice story,but I have one doubt Either the brother believe in mother and the life after birth or not he will come out from moms womb after 9 month and he realize that there is one mother and a place to live. It separates the babies by gender (categorizes by gender/excludes) rather than different thinking/believing processes (pessimist vs optimist, non-believer vs believer, etc). Sometimes, when youre in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above. And She Thinks You Can Too! You actually believe in Mother? Youre welcome Laurie. And as the one was the first to be conceived, so he was the first to be born. The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. For some the process can facilitate a crisis of faith, for others it brings a new awareness of spiritual connection or strengthens the existing connection to ones predominate belief system. Walking is impossible. The first baby asked the other: Do you believe in life after delivery?The second baby replied, Why, of course. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Analogies rely on metaphor, and theres typically no logical conclusion for such things. Salt Church Mar Menor 27 subscribers Subscribe 0 Share No views 1 minute ago Is there more to this life than meets the eye? [] French story. Other sources credit Henri J. W. Nouwen for the tale, and Laurie Seymour of Baca Journey claims that the story, in all of its variations, has been adapted from the writings of Pablo [], [] vecchia storia francese. Helping you to find the gold nuggets amidst the dirt, sand and pebbles of life! There are many dangers of this kind of allegory Are you interested in increasing your personal well-being? The translation of the Hungarian authors name tmutat a Lleknek is A Guide to the Spirit thus it is not really a name as much as an intent. All can be found on http://thriftbooks.com. I can feel the care you have on humans that brings wonderful post like this. Yes we are all brothers and got here through the miracle of Birth. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later., Nonsense, said the first. Third: Eternal fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. The singer, 32, revealed how a series of life changing events in February . I would say for the believer it just makes the 9 month as in this parable more comforting, carefree, enriched, happy and a good foundation to continue the being the same even after the 9 months. I had read the parable earlier but I didnt think that it could be presented so well. Its rare that we can take analogies through to a logic conclusion. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths., The doubting baby laughed. A parable has been going around in which two babies talk in the womb about life after delivery. And this analogy is probing on subjective nature of reality, rather than objective nature of the phenomenal world. We are surrounded by her. By Phil Helsel. 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