Thanks! Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. I hope he gets what he deserves while he is in prison!!!!!! Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. Did anyone explain that? I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. FACT: The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. Maybe body positioning and gravity? The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. I think he had mental issues too. Thankyou. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. The ground was visible disturbed. The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Thats inaccurate. Chris is a monster. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. He didnt flip. Good point! The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Page 582, 6. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. These people cant tell the truth about anything. I do know a lot of women who do this also. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? Utter Rubbish! It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. Exiting rooms. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Throw it away? I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. Infuriating! They should have been talked to later. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. Make sense? He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. I lived with one. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. This story breaks my heart. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. I have a question. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? Areas of bruising, internal. How was she about her childrens allergies? They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) She was always busy. Celestes stomach was empty. didnt attempt it herself. He just switched. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Straight up facts. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? 2. What about rigormortis?. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. Then he asks to talk to his dad. Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Addition. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. It could be all the thrive he was taking. Required fields are marked *. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. And then it was turned off. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. 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